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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The right Charlotte REALTOR!

I am SO in agreement with Dave Halpern & Carol Williams on this. 

What a ridiculous rule that could very easily be waived. Sounds like the HOA needs to elect a new Board - one whose members appreciate living in the USA!

Aug 05, 2017 01:03 PM
Carol Williams
Although I'm retired, I love sharing my knowledge and learning from other real estate industry professionals. - Wenatchee, WA
Retired Agent / Broker / Property Manager

I'm against anything that denies patriotic Americans the right to display the American flag.  

Aug 05, 2017 11:22 AM
Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

If it has been there for four years, it should be grandfathered! While the association has rights, they may have waived them!

Aug 05, 2017 09:34 AM
Belinda Spillman
Aspen Lane Real Estate Colorful Colorado - Aurora, CO
Colorado Living!

Oh give me a break people.  He is a vet.  He sacrificed everything.  Show the guy some respect and get off his case!  Move on.

Aug 05, 2017 01:48 PM
Dave Halpern
Dave Halpern Real Estate Agent, Inc., Louisville, KY (502) 664-7827 - Louisville, KY
Louisville Short Sale Expert

The flag of the USA should be exempt from all of these silly restrictions.

Aug 05, 2017 11:00 AM
Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Happily Retired - Franklin, MA
Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team

I hope he leaves it on and fights them.... so un-American.... who would even suggest that be included in HOA docs? 

Aug 05, 2017 09:37 AM
Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, KW Diversified - Stevens Point, WI
Forestland Experts! 715-204-9671

The sooner they outlaw hoa's the better.


Aug 05, 2017 06:48 PM
Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA - Thousand Oaks, CA
Residential Real Estate and Investment Properties

Part of me wants to say:

"This is 'Merica!  Leave the flag alone you darn Commie bastard!"

but the other part of me says:

"if you allow one person to have a US flag, someone will want their national flag on their box (let's assume it's not the US for sake of argument).  What happens then when someone else wants a Dallas Cowboys wrap on their mailbox?  If you allow one variance you open the door to allowing them all."

Aug 05, 2017 05:15 PM
Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Realtor

I heard this story on the news yesterday and today... and I am totally outraged. No wonder HOA's have such a bad rep.

Aug 05, 2017 02:23 PM
Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County

Seems to me it is like the fence in the other guy's yard for years.... you had to chance to say something!

Aug 05, 2017 12:34 PM
Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

HOA rules can alwatys be changed. My suggestion is that he solicits neighbors for a change and if they are for it it changes and against he he changes.

Aug 05, 2017 11:36 AM
Dorie Dillard Austin TX
Coldwell Banker Realty ~ 512.750.6899 - Austin, TX
NW Austin ~ Canyon Creek and Spicewood/Balcones

OUR country's flag should be able to be displayed unconditionally. This HOA needs a new board, apparently these board members have way too much time on their hands.

Aug 06, 2017 06:49 AM
Kasey & John Boles
Jon Gosche Real Estate, LLC - - Boise, ID
Boise & Meridian, ID Ada/Canyon/Gem/Boise Counties

What Debe Maxwell, CRS said. -Kasey

Aug 05, 2017 08:36 PM
Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Estate Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate

Take down the flag?  NO. 

The HOA Board ... oh I cannot say it here 

My parting words:  What Jack Holes! 

Aug 05, 2017 07:33 PM
William Feela
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

Disband the Hoa

Aug 05, 2017 07:14 PM
Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Carol Williams said it well, and we agree!

Aug 05, 2017 04:21 PM
Will Hamm
Hamm Homes - Aurora, CO
"Where There's a Will, There's a Way!"

No way should the flag come down.  

Aug 05, 2017 12:51 PM
David M. Dwares
Title Professionals Corp. - Fort Lauderdale, FL
Title guy with a broker license

Slippery slope argument if the HOA doesn't prevail.  If they allow a flag wrap, what if I want to have my mailbox wrapped in the flag of my ancestor's homeland?  Why would the US flag be ok, but my grandpa's country's flag not ok?

Once you open the door, you might as well remove all mailbox restrictions and (apparently) that is not what the HOA wants.  People bought into the community knowing the rules.

Aug 05, 2017 11:56 AM
Silvia Dukes PA, Broker Associate, CRS, CIPS, SRES
Tropic Shores Realty - Ich spreche Deutsch! - Spring Hill, FL
Florida Waterfront and Country Club Living

I think American flags should not be removed from American soil, period. 

Aug 05, 2017 09:58 AM
Michael J. Perry
KW Elite - Lancaster, PA
Lancaster, PA Relo Specialist

This seems like a no win situation !

Aug 05, 2017 09:32 AM
Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty

Debe Maxwell, CRS nailed this one!

Aug 06, 2017 05:38 AM
Paul Antonelli
Antonelli Realty - Saint Cloud, FL
Broker Owner; Antonelli Realty

We had something like this happen in my last community and the county over ruled the HOA and the Vet was allowed to fly his flag. 

Aug 06, 2017 05:32 AM
Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Kind of silly for the HOA to get involved with this.  I'm guessing it's due to a disgruntled neighbor.

Aug 06, 2017 05:31 AM
Dennis Swartz
Full Circle Property Management - Columbus, OH
MBA, GRI...experience counts!

HE should be protected by federal law, which superceded HOA rules.

Aug 06, 2017 03:54 AM
Kat Palmiotti
406-270-3667,, Broker/REALTOR® - Kalispell, MT
Helping your Montana dreams take root

I would think if the wrap has been on the mailbox for four years, that rule had already been ignored by the HOA and should be null and void. 

I'm glad he'll be meeting with the HOA on Tuesday in an attempt to get that rule changed. Not allowing an American Flag on a mailbox is not a rule I'd support.

Aug 06, 2017 03:21 AM
Endre Barath, Jr.
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices California Properties - Beverly Hills, CA
Realtor - Los Angeles Home Sales 310.486.1002

I would  put up one hell of a fuss...fight... it what ever you want but if I did not prevail than sell and let them know how I feel...and why...Endre

Aug 05, 2017 10:08 PM
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Andover, MA
Andover, MA: Andover Luxury Homes For Sale

Fred Griffin - do they have nothing else to do?

Aug 05, 2017 08:27 PM
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

Sorry to read this kind of thing happens.

Aug 05, 2017 05:41 PM
James Dray
Fathom Realty - Bentonville, AR

Ditto on what Silvia Dukes PA, Broker Associate, CRS, CIPS, SRES said

Aug 05, 2017 05:33 PM
Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

If you live in a community with a HOA, you need to comply with the rules.

Get active and change the rules when appropriate.

Aug 05, 2017 01:07 PM
Sam Shueh
(408) 425-1601 - San Jose, CA
mba, cdpe, reopro, pe

South Vietnam has ceased to exist for 42 years. Its yellow banner is all over US. When a Vietnamese American hang the correct DPR Vietnam flag in Orange County, CA he gets beat up. State Dept tried to intervene but no avail. May be UN is the place to escalate since the delegates are having a good time according to our president Donald.

Aug 05, 2017 10:39 AM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Fred Griffin It sounds like someone complained he is violating the HOA rules. From the photo it looks like all of the mailboxes are uniform. My opinion: Leave it alone.

Aug 05, 2017 10:27 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

HOA prevails

Aug 05, 2017 09:55 AM
Jill Murty, Realtor - Orange County, CA
Movoto - Laguna Niguel, CA

He should not have to remove the American flag wrap.  It sounds as though some hater of America was elected to the board and has decided to exert some new found influence. 

Aug 05, 2017 09:44 AM
Ron Tissier
Chapman Hall Premier Realtors (404) 580-9069 - Atlanta, GA
Defining Homes. Defining Lifestyles.

Glad to see this Veteran prevailed Fred.  Our hero Veterans should always prevail on such matters.  Vets and our American flag should always be treated with the utmost respect that each deserves.


Sep 04, 2017 07:13 AM
Joe D'Agostino
NMLS# 729950 - Manahawkin, NJ
Mortgage Officer 46 years!

We as Americans should be proud of our flag. In his case it was on his mail box....So What! If this is all that HOA has to worry about, they are very lucky. Veterans should be given  a PASS, anytime they want to display the flag. I have started a petition to make it a Federal offense to desecrate our flag. As a Disabled Marine Vietnam Veteran, we must start making America PROUD again!  Semper Fi!


Aug 08, 2017 09:28 AM
Joan Cox
House to Home, Inc. - Denver Real Estate - 720-231-6373 - Denver, CO
Denver Real Estate - Selling One Home at a Time

This is ridiculous, are the Board members not US citizens?   

Aug 08, 2017 08:28 AM
Lynnea Miller
Bend Premier Real Estate - Bend, OR
Premier Real Estate Service in Central Oregon

What's the harm?  When did displaying the American flag become so controversial?

Aug 06, 2017 06:12 PM
Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • GRI • HAFA • PSC Calabasas CA

This is so ridiculous. What they are doing to do, sue him? 

Great that it became public. 

Aug 06, 2017 02:28 PM
Sandy Padula & Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West & Florida Realty Investments - , CA
Presence, Persistence & Perseverance

It seems to me that any display of our Flag should be excepted from HOA rules, with a limit on flag size agreed upon by a general  association vote

Aug 06, 2017 01:07 PM
Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
CONSULTANT, Real Estate Services & Risk Management

If it's in the deed restrictions, he has to take it down, but depends on how they are written in terms of possible grandfather clauses.

Aug 06, 2017 11:08 AM
Thomas J. Nelson, REALTOR ® e-Pro CRS RCS-D Vets
Big Block Realty 858.232.8722 - La Jolla, CA
CEO of Vision Drive Realty - Coastal San Diego

I would love to be his attorney. 

Aug 06, 2017 07:42 AM
Donald Urschalitz
Lubeck Realty Group - Jupiter, FL
P.A. Realtor ABR RSPS North Palm Beach County

Fight to change the rules some people just have too much time on their hands.

Aug 06, 2017 06:17 AM
Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker


Aug 07, 2017 06:29 AM