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Susan Emo
Sotheby's International Realty Canada - Brokerage - Kingston, ON
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A person can ask for anything they want.  Whether they get it or not is another story!

Sep 05, 2016 12:39 PM
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
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I would say no that's it confidential info that makes no difference. If the buyer is already pre-approved, it's none of the sellers business.

Sep 05, 2016 09:49 PM
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Mary Yonkers
Alan Kells School of Real Estate/Howard Hanna Real Estate - Erie, PA
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Ask & receive are two different issues.

Sep 05, 2016 01:00 PM
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Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
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Of course they can ask for whatever, but getting it is another issue. Don't know if legally they can request certain things and there are issues regarding identity, especially with SS #s on your W-2 and tax forms.

Sep 05, 2016 12:54 PM
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Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
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I've had that during leasing a property, but never during a sale. 

Sep 05, 2016 04:04 PM
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Hella M. Rothwell, Broker/Realtor®
Carmel by the Sea, CA
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If there were owner financing involved, otherwise I don't see the point as long as proof of funds is required for a cash offer.

Sep 05, 2016 12:57 PM
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Bob Crane
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I suspect that you can ask for whatever you want for proof, and the other side can refuse to provide it as well.

Sep 05, 2016 12:37 PM
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Lise Howe
Keller Williams Capital Properties - Washington, DC
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I don't even like having my buyers give a financial statement - once you get a letter from a credible lender I think that is it - I tell the agent to call the lender and talk our offer over - but then if the seller is going to be insistent.... 

Sep 05, 2016 01:57 PM
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Melissa Jackson REALTOR
Trinity Premier Properties - Azle, TX
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That's a little too much to ask for.  

Sep 05, 2016 01:20 PM
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Liz Kroft
Keller Williams Realty - Santa Cruz, CA
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You've gotten some great answers here so far. An addendum is an "ask" and what the other party does with it is up to them. Just like a seller can request the purchase price be raised by $50,000 and all contingencies be removed they can do what you outlined in your question - the buyer, however, is by no means obligated to agree to the addendum. I agree, it doesn't seem right - quite bizarre (its the buyers' lenders job to vet all of those items so a pre-approval and listing agent's conversation with the lender should suffice in most situations)

Sep 05, 2016 01:14 PM
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Noah Seidenberg
Coldwell Banker - Evanston, IL
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I am with Susan Emo.

This sounds like going over board. I would not give out this personal information to anyone other then the lender. 

Sep 05, 2016 01:10 PM
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
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They can say they're requiring it but, the buyer doesn't have to agree to it.  That's crazy!  They do provide proof-of-funds when paying cash but, pay stubs, taxes & W2's is a bit too personal!

Sep 05, 2016 12:44 PM
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Jennifer Mackay
Counts Real Estate Group, Inc. - Panama City, FL
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Asking is one thing, getting is another - I wouldn't divulge that information to a residential seller but is often required in commercial

Sep 05, 2016 11:29 PM
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Jack Lewitz
Exit Strategy Realty - Evanston, IL

DU approval should be sufficient 

Sep 05, 2016 10:36 PM
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Chrissi Chapman Topoleski
Coldwell Banker Realty - Woodbridge, VA
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I would seek legal advice. Do the sellers want to see this to counter the offer (for example, seeing if they can pay full price or pay their own closing costs)? I would also have a serious discussion with the seller's agent about this. I have clients who would walk if this was a condition of the offer. Maybe the sellers are a little ignorant about the process and think they are covering their bases, and the agent is doing what's been asked?

Sep 05, 2016 10:32 PM
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
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They can ask, but whether they get is a completely different story. Probably not illegal, but who would give the seller all the information and risk confidentiality. If a loan is involved this info will be provided to the lender.

Sep 05, 2016 08:34 PM
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Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

A seller can ask for anything but these kind of requests will be a turn off for some buyers.

Sep 05, 2016 08:30 PM
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Require?  Doubtful

Ask?  Of, course.

Legal?  Consult an attorney.  

Sep 05, 2016 07:21 PM
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James Dray
Fathom Realty - Bentonville, AR

Ask however, you shall not receive.  Looks like that home will be on the market a long, long time

Sep 05, 2016 06:38 PM
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Paul S. Henderson, REALTOR®, CRS
Fathom Realty Washington LLC - Tacoma, WA
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We have a proof of funds form but it does not request tax returns or pay stubs...

Sep 05, 2016 04:53 PM
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Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Burlington, MA
Metro Boston Homes For Sale

Stephanie Leon | Miami Lakes Realtor® - asking and getting are two different things.

This is a sensitive information for buyers - and they may not want to share it with sellers.

Sep 05, 2016 04:06 PM
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Consult legal counsel in your jurisdiction in order to determine the legality.

If it is legal, the seller can require whatever the seller wants, but the buyer can choose not to agree to this condition and thus, the seller may need to find another buyer and/or remove this condition.

Sep 05, 2016 01:33 PM
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William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
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You can ask ,but if it was my client we would be walking out the door.

Sep 05, 2016 01:09 PM
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John Meussner
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Ask & receive are 2 different things.  I'd respond with a giant, flat out NO --- who's securing/encrypting the transmittal of those documents?  Who's storing them safely or ensuring they're disposed of properly?  

 

Perhaps offer a counter addendum that states buyer will happily provide all financials if seller accepts all liability that would come as a result of identity theft from mishandling documents for lets say the next 10 years??

 

Sellers need to get a grip - 95% of them wouldn't even know how to read a tax return when it comes to qualifying for a mortgage.  Hell, half the licensed loan officers out there don't even know how to read a tax return with regard to mortgage qualifying.

Oct 04, 2016 04:39 AM
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Joan Cox
House to Home, Inc. - Denver Real Estate - 720-231-6373 - Denver, CO
Denver Real Estate - Selling One Home at a Time

I would think this comes under the privacy act, and would only produce a lender letter.

Sep 11, 2016 11:33 AM
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Katina Hargrove 352-551-0308
Stake Your Land Realty, Inc. - Eustis, FL
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Good Sunday Stephanie,

If the seller is doing owner financing, he would have the right. Otherwise I would say no way Mr. Seller, the buyer is already pre-approved. Now the seller can speak to the buyer's lender and that is if the lender will provide him with any info, which I doubt.

Sep 11, 2016 12:06 AM
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Joe D'Agostino
NMLS# 729950 - Manahawkin, NJ
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As a lender I would say no. I am in a position of "trust" and that information has no bearing on the deal,especially if I have issued a commitment. I also will tell your seller that he is way "out of bounds" even asking for this. He certainly has no "legal" right to require this information. I have only seen in the past (on multi- million dollar homes) a seller requesting from a lender or an accoutant "proof of funds " to close,which is certainly acceptable on any size deal. The legal term is one must be Ready,Willing and Able to close.

 

Sep 07, 2016 02:12 AM
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Patricia Kennedy
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They can ask for whatever they want.  This kind of stuff could offend buyers, especially if they have submitted an offer with a pre-approval letter and the customary financial disclosures. 

Sep 06, 2016 01:57 PM
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Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
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I would say a seller can ask for whatever proof they want and it is up to the buyer to decide when it is too much. I was going to show another agent's listing and the agent required a preapproval letter before the showing would be scheduled (it was not a highend proeprty) and it speciafically stated it could not be a 401K. My buyer chose to move on and not see the proeprty.

Sep 06, 2016 09:49 AM
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Will Hamm
Hamm Homes - Aurora, CO
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I do not think that I ever heard of that.

Sep 06, 2016 09:09 AM
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Lynnea Miller
Bend Premier Real Estate - Bend, OR
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That is an extremely unusual request. But a seller can ask for this. I wouldn't advise the buyer accept. If the request concerns an owner carry contract, I can understand it.

Sep 06, 2016 08:42 AM
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Carol Williams
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It seems inappropriate unless they are being asked to do owner financing.

Sep 06, 2016 08:37 AM
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Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
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Unrealistic and unnecessary.  If the pre-approval or proof of funds letter is not sufficient for this Seller, I would take my Buyer elsewhere.

Sep 06, 2016 08:22 AM
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Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
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Michael has a good answer.

Sep 06, 2016 05:28 AM
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
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I've never seen this.  When I talk to the lender, I ask if they've reviewed that info.  That has been good enough for my sellers.

 

Like Susan Emo says, they can ask but may not get.  Personally, I would advise my buyers to not give this information to the seller.

Sep 06, 2016 03:49 AM
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Greg Large
ERA Real Solutions - Grove City, OH
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I think that is beyond an overreach.  Unless they are providing owner financing there would be no reason that I can think of to entitle themselves to that information and even then terms need to be agreed to by contract before info would be provided.  Sounds like they may have been burned by an unqualified buyer and knee jerk reaction way too far.

Sep 06, 2016 02:40 AM
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Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Happily Retired - Franklin, MA
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it's America....they can make the request but the answer should be NO.... that's what pre approvals are for...

Sep 06, 2016 02:35 AM
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Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

They can ask.  Buyer can refuse.  I don't think it's illegal.

Sep 06, 2016 01:26 AM
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Sandy Padula & Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West & Florida Realty Investments - , CA
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No; that is confidential. A credit report is sufficient and it could be argued that the credit report is customarily sufficient and anything beyond is discriminatory if used to disqualify a prospective buyer/tenant.

Sep 06, 2016 12:39 AM
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Eve Alexander
Buyers Broker of Florida - Tampa, FL
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"Legal" deals with the law.  Seriously...this is not about legality, it is simply about the seller asking for something that is unnecessary. No law broken.

Every time a seller asks for something that is out of the norm, I find that the request really comes from the listing agent....most sellers don't think up the stuff.

Eve

Sep 06, 2016 12:28 AM
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Kevin J. May
Florida Supreme Realty - Hobe Sound, FL
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Of course they can ask for it although I know that none of my customers would subject themselves further.

Sep 06, 2016 12:18 AM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
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I agree with Susan Emo .  A

Sep 06, 2016 12:16 AM
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Richard Bazinet /MBA, CRS, ABR
West USA Realty - Scottsdale, AZ
Phoenix Scottsdale. Sellers, Buyers & Relocations

Are you kidding me? All the seller needs to care about is proof of funds for the deposit, and down for a loan, proof of loan, and proof of funds in a cash deal. 

Sep 06, 2016 12:11 AM
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Richie Alan Naggar
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It is not illegal but instead unusual to do so. I would rather have a lender vett

Sep 05, 2016 11:47 PM
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Jessie Cochran
Counts Real Estate Group, Inc. - Panama City, FL
Panama City Realty Group

The can ask, but I wouldn't recommend giving to my buyer - unless they really, really, wanted the property and then make sure all the personal information is Hillary Clintoned out!

Sep 05, 2016 11:40 PM
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Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
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They can ask and the response would be "what part of NO don't you understand"!

Sep 05, 2016 11:32 PM
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Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
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Stephanie Leon | Miami Lakes Realtor® It was common practice to provide a buyer's financial statement to a sell, but not We's, pay stubs, income taxes, etc. Proof of funds should be enough to show they have the down payment.

Sep 05, 2016 11:31 PM
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Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
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Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty

Susan Emo nailed this one!

Sep 05, 2016 10:34 PM
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Bob Betel
Allstar Home Mortgage, Inc. - Sweetwater, TN
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W-2, pay stubs and tax returns show the lender the ability to repay the loan. The seller should not be concerned with that. An approval letter shows the seller that the buyer is qualified to make the purchase. That is all the seller needs to know. Tax returns, pay stubs and the W-2 have the buyers SSN which is private information.

Sep 05, 2016 10:32 PM
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Susan Haughton
Long and Foster REALTORS (703) 470-4545 - Alexandria, VA
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Wow, I cannot even imagine that.  Seems overly intrusive to me;  if the buyers want to go forward and the only way is by providing that info, then it's their decision, of course, but I certainly wouldn't.  

Sep 05, 2016 10:25 PM
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Harry F. D'Elia III
WEDO Real Estate and Beyond, LLC - Phoenix, AZ
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Real estate is about negotiations. How bad do you want the home?

Sep 05, 2016 10:22 PM
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Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
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A seller can request anything they want. Whether a buyer will give it to them is another thing. If the seller is holding a mortgage, then yes, i recommend. If not a pre qual letter from local and trusted bank is acceptable

Sep 05, 2016 10:17 PM
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Richard Weeks
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Sep 05, 2016 10:08 PM
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Dorie Dillard Austin TX
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Someone can ask for anything but the question is does this buyer in this case feel the seller is over steeping their privacy? If they do they can walk away..seller may need to re-think their demands.

Sep 05, 2016 09:50 PM
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Raymond E. Camp
Ontario, NY

I agree with everyone here; but if it was me they could take a hike!

Sep 05, 2016 09:32 PM
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Greg Cremia
Shore Realty of the Outer Banks - Nags Head, NC

If the buyers want to proceed, make copies, heavily redact to the point of ridiculousness and then make copies of the redacted documents to give to the seller

Sep 05, 2016 09:07 PM