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Deb Kirschbaum (MB/Priority Properties, Inc.)

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Susan Emo
Kingston, ON
Kingston and the 1000 Islands Area

 Until.  That's how I operate.

Jun 10, 2016 10:22 AM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Deb,

I agree with Susan Emo , Jill Murty, Realtor - Orange County, CAJeff Dowler CRS , Dorie Dillard Richie Alan Naggar , we have to honor those in the profession...A

Jun 10, 2016 12:22 PM
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Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

It should be agreed upon upfront between the referring and recipient agents, and written in the referral agreement. Otherwise, it's until it happens. I have one going on 4 years and I will absolutely pay the referral when it happens. And I agree with Jill Murty, Realtor - Orange County, CA  on the date

Jun 10, 2016 10:41 AM
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Jill Murty, Realtor - Orange County, CA
Movoto - Laguna Niguel, CA

Dates should be included, but if I receive a referral and the transaction doesn't take place until after the date, I'd absolutely honor the agreement regardless of the date.  To do otherwise seems small, petty and unappreciative to me. 

Jun 10, 2016 10:40 AM
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Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Anyone that brings me business should be rewarded...

Jun 10, 2016 12:08 PM
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Dorie Dillard Austin TX
Coldwell Banker Realty ~ 512.750.6899 - Austin, TX
NW Austin ~ Canyon Creek and Spicewood/Balcones

I'm with Jill Murty, Realtor - Orange County, CA and Jeff Dowler CRS ..always pay no matter how long it takes!!

Jun 10, 2016 11:37 AM
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Jeff Pearl
Samson Properties / LIC in VA - Lovettsville, VA
Full Service Full Time Realtor

I suppose that needs to be agreed upon at the start.

Jun 10, 2016 10:25 AM
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Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Happily Retired - Franklin, MA
Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team

I've never heard of that ever happening....a referral is a referral until the person is closed.... after that, it's new business.... no time limit.... 

Jun 10, 2016 11:49 PM
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Real Estate Broker

Personally, if it's a referral to me, it's evergreen for the person referred. But if you are concerned, I'd put some wording into a contract to indicate so.

Jun 10, 2016 09:58 PM
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Kat Palmiotti
eXp Commercial, Referral Divison - Kalispell, MT
Helping your Montana dreams take root

I don't think anything is "standard" in this business!

Our referral agreements don't include a date, although of course one can be added. So the way our agreements stand now, the first deal done with that referral pays a referral fee, regardless of how long it takes to close. We wouldn't have ever met that referred person without the referral.

Jun 10, 2016 08:44 PM
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Pasadena And Southern California 818.516.4393

Deb -- I'm not aware of any industry standard and everything in real estate is negotiable and better be in writing(in case "stuff" happens").  

Maximum?  Whatever is agreed.

 

Jun 10, 2016 05:47 PM
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Robert Havana
Park and Protect- Alberta Real Estate License Parking - Calgary, AB
Alberta Real Estate License Parking

for me, there is no end to the time that it would be paid or expected

Jun 10, 2016 04:12 PM
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Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

a referral shouldn't expire until the transaction is done.  However I do not believe it applies for repeat business from that client.

Jun 10, 2016 02:59 PM
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Debbie Laity
CinaJones Real Estate - Cedaredge, CO
Your Real Estate Resource for Delta County

Here's how I look at it...I wouldn't have had that client without the referral. I will most certainly honor the referral agreement until the transaction is complete. I have one now that I've been working on for about four years. The referring agent is now retired, but still has her license. I will be paying her a referral fee if the buyer moves here and buys something from me. 

Jun 10, 2016 01:31 PM
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William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

It is in the congtract including how many properties

Jun 10, 2016 10:46 AM
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

There is no expiration date on a referral unless one is stated. I've never have one have an 'end date'.

Jun 11, 2016 01:13 AM
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Lana Mosley
Keller Williams Realty Services - Hammond, LA
Building my empire one listing at a time.

There is no industry standard, but personally, I would honor it as long as it takes.

Jun 11, 2016 12:11 AM
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Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Deb Kirschbaum i don't think there is an industry standard, but to me a referral should be honored no matter how long it takes to do a transaction.

Jun 10, 2016 11:21 PM
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Susan Haughton
Long and Foster REALTORS (703) 470-4545 - Alexandria, VA
Susan & Mindy Team...Honesty. Integrity. Results.

It might be cleaner to have a date, but if I receive a referral, I will pay it out when the transaction closes, no matter how long that takes. 

Jun 10, 2016 11:12 PM
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Sandy Padula & Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West & Florida Realty Investments - , CA
Presence, Persistence & Perseverance

I like Susan Emo 's answer. If there is any trepidation on entering into a referral, then either specify the term of the agreement, or do not enter into the agreement at all.

Jun 10, 2016 10:55 PM
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Jennifer Mackay
Counts Real Estate Group, Inc. - Panama City, FL
Your Bay County Florida Realtor 850.774.6582

Susan Emo is right - it doesn't expire in my book either!

Jun 10, 2016 10:17 PM
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Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

I would pay the referral fee without looking at the date.

Jun 10, 2016 09:03 PM
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Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

I don't think there is an industry standard and have seen anythng from 6 months to 3 years. I have heard some agents say it has no time limit.

Jun 10, 2016 01:07 PM
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Michael Thacker - Re/Max Real Estate Center - Louisville
Re/Max Real Estate Center - The Thacker Group - Louisville, KY
Your best friend who just happens to be a Realtor

Until, if its a referral then its through that first transaction with the client.

Jun 10, 2016 12:45 PM
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Kathleen Luiten
Resort and Second-Home Specialist - Princeville, HI
Kauai Luxury Ocean Home Sales

Our referral agreements always include a date, usually 2 years.

Jun 10, 2016 12:37 PM
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Mary Yonkers
Alan Kells School of Real Estate/Howard Hanna Real Estate - Erie, PA
Erie/PA Real Estate Instructor

Agree with Jeff Dowler CRS and 

Jill Murty, Realtor - Orange County, CA 

Jun 10, 2016 12:24 PM
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Harry F. D'Elia III
WEDO Real Estate and Beyond, LLC - Phoenix, AZ
Investor , Mentor, GRI, Radio, CIPS, REOs, ABR

We can all understand that verbal does nothing for either party. All things must be in writing including referral history.

Jun 11, 2016 11:22 AM
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Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Oswego, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

The referral is payable until paid!

Jun 11, 2016 12:55 AM
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Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Coldwell Banker Realty

1. No

2. No

3. Yes

Jun 10, 2016 10:50 PM
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Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

Follow the terms of your agreement. If in doubt, pay a referral fee.

Jun 10, 2016 10:11 PM
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Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
CONSULTANT, Real Estate Services & Risk Management

Best to spell it out in your agreement.

Jun 10, 2016 09:40 PM
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Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • GRI • HAFA • PSC • Short Sale • Probate

It is an interesting question and should be asked when you sign that referral agreement. 

Jun 10, 2016 04:57 PM
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Sam Shueh
(408) 425-1601 - San Jose, CA
mba, cdpe, reopro, pe

I put an expiration on any contract or agreement. 1 year?

Jun 10, 2016 02:53 PM
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Dan Tabit
Keller Williams Bellevue - Sammamish, WA

When in doubt, put in a date or specify that it's unending.  Whatever you do, get it clear or assume the worst, for your side of the transaction. 

Jun 10, 2016 02:51 PM
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Deb Kirschbaum
MB/Priority Properties, Inc. - Denver, CO

I've read the stories of other posts.  The lesson I've learned from all this is that I will send my referrals with the percentage to pay me for a completed transaction AND the date in which the referral expires. And I'll expect the same from referrals that I accept. - -  I used to do referrals from another Brokerage and after I kept in contact with them for 2 years, I no longer had to pay a referral fee.  After all, if I hadn't kept up with the client, they would have never bought with me.  If a conflict goes all the way to arbitration, their must be more to the story than we've been told.

Jun 10, 2016 02:12 PM
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FN LN
Toronto, ON

I am not aware of any standards.  This issue should be negotiated between both sides.

Jun 10, 2016 12:38 PM
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Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, KW Diversified - Stevens Point, WI
Forestland Experts! 715-204-9671

Something to be negotiated between the parties involved.

Read Mike & Eve Alexander before you proceed.

Jun 10, 2016 11:33 AM
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Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

 

Mike & Eve Alexander have an incredible story to tell in this regard.  Maybe they will share it here.

 

Jun 10, 2016 11:28 AM