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Michael J. Perry, Lancaster, PA   Relo Specialist (KW Elite )

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Rainmaker
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Candice A. Donofrio
Next Wave RE Investments LLC Bullhead City AZ Commercial RE Broker - Fort Mohave, AZ
928-201-4BHC (4242) call/text

I want to see ANYTHING I write on. PC isn't assured by viewing the home or even writing contract. If the buyer found the house themself and no other agent was involved . . . and you are contracted with the buyer . . . you are probably fine. PC is the squirrel who shook the tree . . . not the one who gathered the nuts. ;)

Jan 17, 2016 11:22 PM
Rainmaker
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Susan Haughton
Long and Foster REALTORS (703) 470-4545 - Alexandria, VA
Susan & Mindy Team...Honesty. Integrity. Results.

In Virginia, we have buyer clients sign a buyer broker agreement which clarifies the issue of agency;  also, agents are required upfront to inquire of buyers if they are already working with another agent. 

If the client wants you to see the house before writing on it, sure, show it, but simply showing a house does not necessarily lead to procuring cause.  

Jan 17, 2016 10:20 PM
Rainer
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Fred Hafdelin
Weichert Realtors - Mountain Lakes, NJ

Always. I need to see the house before I can effectively negotiate anything relative to the house. The MLS photos are obviously photos that were cherry picked and sometimes edited. The house could have a railroad track 500 feet from the backyard or there could be signs of leaking , flooding etc.  that an exicited home buyer may not pick up. I think it weakens  my negotiating if the other agent knows that I did not even take the time to walk through the house.

Jan 17, 2016 11:00 PM
Rainmaker
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Thomas J. Nelson, REALTOR ® e-Pro CRS RCS-D Vets
Big Block Realty 858.232.8722 - La Jolla, CA
CEO of Vision Drive Realty - Coastal San Diego

This happens, as some of my buyers hit open houses without me on Sundays, etc. and I encourage that; they are in contract with me and it saves me some showings if they reject the house. As a preference, not a requirement, I'll typically get in to see the house myself and just "double check" there's no obvious points to make in the offer or against writing an offer. But, if I can't see the house before the offer, I'm a good negotiator and we have contingencies, so I'm not overly concerned.

Jan 17, 2016 10:45 PM
Rainmaker
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Anthony Acosta - ALLATLANTAcondos.com
Harry Norman, REALTORS® - Atlanta, GA
Associate Broker

Yes, I would schedule a 2nd showing so I can see the home and take into consideration any issues when writing the offer.

Jan 17, 2016 10:45 PM
Rainmaker
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Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

I have only had it happen once and yes, I brought them back to see it and write the offer accordingly. Seeing it i was able to address some issues up front in our offer that if i did not see, would not have known

Jan 17, 2016 10:41 PM
Rainmaker
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Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • GRI • HAFA • PSC Calabasas CA

No, if the time is the issue and we have to act fast,  I write the offer. But if I did not see the house,  I do try to get into the house as soon as possible. 

Jan 18, 2016 05:44 AM
Rainmaker
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John McCormack, CRS
Albuquerque Homes Realty - Albuquerque, NM
Honesty, Integrity, Results, Experienced. HIRE Me!

I don't see the need for a second showing unless my buyers wanted to see it.

Jan 17, 2016 10:40 PM
Rainmaker
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Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
REALTOR®, Broker

I see no reason for a 2nd viewing unless it was something the buyers wanted.

Jan 17, 2016 10:35 PM
Rainmaker
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James Dray
Fathom Realty - Bentonville, AR

No issues here is you already have a written Buyers Agency Agreement.  If not you may have some issues.  It would be nice if you could tour the home with your clients, just to be on the safe side

Jan 17, 2016 10:29 PM
Rainmaker
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Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Michael J. Perry How did they find the house? Do you have an agency buyer broker agreement with the buyer? Agency will dictate whether you can write the offer. Just showing a property does not validate procuring cause.

Jan 17, 2016 10:23 PM
Rainmaker
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Lawrence "Larry" & Sheila Agranoff. Cell: 631-805-4400
The Top Team @ Charles Rutenberg Realty 255 Executive Dr, Plainview NY 11803 - Plainview, NY
Long Island Condo and Home Specialists

We would show it to them again - just in case...

Jan 17, 2016 10:19 PM
Rainmaker
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Raymond E. Camp
Ontario, NY

I would go view the home before writing an offer as the pictures show the good parts. Not if Agence has been handled.

Jan 17, 2016 10:17 PM
Rainmaker
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Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

If you have a written agreement with your clients, a second showing should not be necessary.

Jan 17, 2016 10:17 PM
Rainer
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Linda Guess
Keller Williams Tri-Lakes Branson, MO - Branson, MO
Branson area real estate sales.

I haven't had that happen.

Jan 17, 2016 10:12 PM
Rainmaker
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Troy Erickson AZ Realtor (602) 295-6807
HomeSmart - Chandler, AZ
Your Chandler, Ahwatukee, and East Valley Realtor

Michael - I certainly would feel obligated to at least see the home, and if possible, go through it with my clients.

As long as I had a buyer-broker agreement, I don't think there would be any issue with procuring cause. Hopefully my clients informed the agent at the open house that they were already working with an agent.

Jan 20, 2016 01:50 AM
Rainmaker
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Joe Petrowsky
Mortgage Consultant, Right Trac Financial Group, Inc. NMLS # 2709 - Manchester, CT
Your Mortgage Consultant for Life

Good morning Michael. We do open houses on homes that we flip all the time. We ask each person, that way we don't run into a problem.

Jan 18, 2016 05:37 PM
Rainmaker
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William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

I find out how they know about the property, did they really see it and if so did they sign papers that could be a contract ot represent.

I also schedule an appointment so I can see the possible issues of the property and I can tell how much the client knows about the property

Jan 18, 2016 07:26 AM
Rainmaker
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Paul S. Henderson, REALTOR®, CRS
Fathom Realty Washington LLC - Tacoma, WA
South Puget Sound Washington Agent/Broker!

I will often go see the house myself while writing the offer. I don't like to write offers on properties I haven't seen. No procuring cause either.

Jan 18, 2016 06:48 AM
Rainmaker
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Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

There may be some issues.  I would need more information before I answer.

Jan 18, 2016 04:36 AM
Rainmaker
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Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

I will schedule a second showing and make sure I can properly advise them before the offer is made. I do not think simply attending an open house establishes procuring cause and never had an issue with it

Jan 18, 2016 03:22 AM
Rainmaker
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
https://HugginsHomes.com - Thousand Oaks, CA
Residential Real Estate and Investment Properties

I would write it without the second showing.  No need to show it again once they've decided on it, unless they are debating on price or have a question about it that photos can't answer.  Now if another agent showed it to them, then they'd have to write with that agent (as I could get sued by the other agent).

 

I've had people walk into an open house and go contact their agent to write the offer.  They were upfront about it with me when I offered to write it for them.  The agent hadn't even been involved at that point and TECHNICALLY shouldn't earn any commission, but I am a bigger person than that!

Jan 18, 2016 02:43 AM
Rainmaker
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Amanda Christiansen
Christiansen Group Realty (260)704-0843 - Fort Wayne, IN
Christiansen Group Realty

I would jump in my time machine and go back to the day I started working with these buyers and explain procuring cause, and while I was back there I'd find my old self and kick him in the shin.  

I tell my buyers that if for some reason they stop by an open house, let the agent on duty know that they're already working with us.  I've never had a problem and have probably sold 10-15 where our buyer saw it at an open house first.  

Jan 18, 2016 02:22 AM
Rainmaker
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Eve Alexander
Buyers Broker of Florida - Tampa, FL
Exclusively Representing ONLY Tampa Home Buyers

If indeed you are claiming to represent the buyer, your job is to put the buyers best interest above your own...that means you go LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE WRITING AN OFFER ON.

By the way a Buyer Broker agreement does not guarantee that you are the PCause, however the person at the open house is representing the seller and the buyer has the legal right (in any state) to use a buyers agent.

Go look at the house, write it up and don't let the listing agent give you any BS about it.  A buyer coming to an open house is not the property of the agent holding the house open, regardless of the conversation.

Eve

 

Jan 18, 2016 02:09 AM
Rainmaker
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Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Happily Retired - Franklin, MA
Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team

we're listing agents and that's happened to us many times.... we never create a problem....we want an offer and will never argue over money with a buyer's agent.... write it up and let's see if we can put a deal together.... we all make money...

Jan 18, 2016 01:37 AM
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Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, KW Diversified - Stevens Point, WI
Forestland Experts! 715-204-9671

As long as you are SURE they are your client, take a second look and write up the offer.

Jan 18, 2016 01:10 AM
Rainmaker
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FN LN
Toronto, ON

(1)  It depends.  (2)  Whether the buyer client is a client in this situation depends upon the wording of the signed Buyer Representation Agreement.  Legal advice may need to be obtained from a lawyer licensed in our jurisdiction.

Jan 18, 2016 12:57 AM
Rainmaker
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Hella Mitschke Rothwell
(831) 626-4000 - Honolulu, HI
Hawaii & California Real Estate Broker

Write the offer. Unless they have signed a buyers representation agreement with someone else. Wait for another showing and maybe have another offer come in first? No.

Jan 18, 2016 12:22 AM
Rainmaker
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David Gibson CNE, 719-304-4684 ~ Colorado Springs Relocation
Colorado Real Estate Advisers LLC - Colorado Springs, CO
Relocation, Luxury & Lifestyle residential

Michael,
I would want to vet the house and do a second showing because of watching out for my clients best interest. Whether I get a commission or not doesn’t factor into my protocols of getting the best possible house for the client.

Jan 17, 2016 11:44 PM
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Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate Services

Yes, I always see a property before I write an offer.

Procurring Cause is a legal matter.  I would not be concerned about procurring cause in this situation ... the house was "open" ....

Jan 17, 2016 11:33 PM
Rainer
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Melissa Jackson REALTOR
Trinity Premier Properties - Azle, TX
Helping You Make The Right Move

I have buyers show up at open house without their agent. If my client is out without me I would like to view the home looking for issues they may miss.  I would write the contract either way.

Jan 17, 2016 11:25 PM
Rainmaker
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Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

At the least I would go check it out on my own to see the condition and location. I would also check wioth the buyer about what interaction he had with the other REALTOR®. If this was me who had the listing and I facillitated the showing once it would be no big deal to me to get a contract from another REALTOR®. If I had been working with this buyer on a steady basis I would still work with the other REALTOR® but not without some compensation. Open house is not a procuring cause you would win in my state.

Jan 17, 2016 11:21 PM
Rainmaker
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Mary Yonkers
Alan Kells School of Real Estate/Howard Hanna Real Estate - Erie, PA
Erie/PA Real Estate Instructor

Caution, err on the side of caution. 

Jan 17, 2016 11:18 PM
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Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Depends on timing and availablity. Just seeing a house does not establish procurring cause

Jan 17, 2016 11:12 PM
Rainmaker
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Pasadena And Southern California 818.516.4393

It depends. 

It depends.

Jan 17, 2016 11:03 PM
Rainmaker
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Jeffrey Jones
AZ Home Seekers - San Tan Valley, AZ
AZ Home Seekers, azhomeseekers.com

It has always been my policy to show them the house again before writing an offer. I would not just write up an offer.

Jan 17, 2016 11:02 PM