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Richard L. McKinney P.A.
Atlantic Shores Realty Expertise - Port St Lucie, FL
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It is my personal goal to sell every home that I list MYSELF and I have actually sold almost 20% of my own listings. In Florida, we can represent each party in what we call a Transaction Broker form of representation. 

So my feeling is that "double dipping" is perfectly fine as long as you deal honestly & fairly AND do not represent one party to the detriment of the other. 

That said, I would not use the term "double dipping" around a customer.

 

 

 

Dec 18, 2015 11:15 AM
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Patricia Kennedy
RLAH@properties - Washington, DC
Home in the Capital

It is legal here in DC, but I don't do "Dual Agency" where I represent both parties to the transaction.  I'm not even comfortable doing a double dip, representing only the seller if the buyer agrees to go un-represented.  Agents who choose to practice dual agency are lawsuits waiting to happen - IMHO.

Dec 18, 2015 08:16 AM
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Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Happily Retired - Franklin, MA
Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team

I've always said "pick a side" and stay there.... we're set up to co-broke all of our listings.... we prefer it....but if the buyer insists on writing an offer through us rather than a buyer's agent, we put it in writing that we represent the seller and the buyer will have no representation!!!  

what are those people thinking!!!

Dec 18, 2015 06:23 AM
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Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Robert (Alaska Bob) Swetz "Double Dipping" has a negative connotation of being something illegal. In my State it is legal as long as it is properly disclosed to all parties. Does everyone know, if an agent sells an office listing the broker becomes the dual agent? Not much difference.

Dec 18, 2015 08:30 AM
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Will Hamm
Hamm Homes - Aurora, CO
"Where There's a Will, There's a Way!"

If I am a transaction broker I will do it

Dec 18, 2015 07:35 AM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Robert,

I don't like the words "double dipping".  The agents I know who represent both sides, disclose it, and do a great job of making the deal happen, which is their primary purpose!  A

Dec 18, 2015 06:28 AM
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Paul S. Henderson, REALTOR®, CRS
Fathom Realty Washington LLC - Tacoma, WA
South Puget Sound Washington Agent/Broker!

I am acting as a facilitator and that as close as I get

Dec 18, 2015 02:23 PM
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Noah Seidenberg
Coldwell Banker - Evanston, IL
Chicagoland and Suburbs (800) 858-7917

I have done it a few times and treated both sides fairly. The results would have been the same had there been another Realtor involved, I am an honest person.

Dec 18, 2015 11:54 AM
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Michael Thacker - Re/Max Real Estate Center - Louisville
Re/Max Real Estate Center - The Thacker Group - Louisville, KY
Your best friend who just happens to be a Realtor

Just keep ethical and honest and you will be fine as long as you disclose to everyone.

Dec 18, 2015 08:10 AM
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Jill Murty, Realtor - Orange County, CA
Movoto - Laguna Niguel, CA

I think it's fine as long as it's done honorably.  

Dec 18, 2015 06:54 AM
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FN LN
Toronto, ON

Vegas Alaska Bob (or Alaska Vegas Bob, if you prefer) - In Ontario, dual agency is known as "multiple representation".  Multiple representation is at the brokerage level.  The same brokerage can represent both the buyer and the seller as long as it is properly disclosed and certain rules are followed.  Multiple representation can occur even if the buyer's agent and the seller's agent do not know each other but work at the same brokerage.  Also, the same agent can represent both sides as well.  If the politicians don't like the current rules, they can always change them.  The Ontario government is a majority government and will be in that situation until the next election in a couple of years.

Dec 18, 2015 06:46 AM
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Michael J. Perry
KW Elite - Lancaster, PA
Lancaster, PA Relo Specialist

Most agents are totally unaware that they don't have to create Dual Agency to make the entire commission !!!

Dec 18, 2015 06:37 AM
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Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

We do not have dual agency in Oklahoma. We are purely transactional brokers and work for the transaction.

 

Dec 18, 2015 06:24 AM
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Jeffrey Jones
AZ Home Seekers - San Tan Valley, AZ
AZ Home Seekers, azhomeseekers.com

It can be tricky and challenging at times, but we have never had a problem. transactions go way smoother.

Dec 18, 2015 06:24 AM
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Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

Dual agency is legal in NH as long as disclosed. In most cases it happens with my bank listings. On owner occupied homes, i prefer to do 1 side or the other 

Dec 18, 2015 09:11 PM
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Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty

It's legal in AZ but we don't do it.

Dec 18, 2015 08:48 PM
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James Dray
Fathom Realty - Bentonville, AR

It's common around here.  

Dec 18, 2015 08:45 PM
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John McCormack, CRS
Albuquerque Homes Realty - Albuquerque, NM
Honesty, Integrity, Results, Experienced. HIRE Me!

I don't have a problem with it at all.  

Dec 18, 2015 08:33 PM
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Eve Alexander
Buyers Broker of Florida - Tampa, FL
Exclusively Representing ONLY Tampa Home Buyers

The ony person that dual agency benefits is the agent...

Eve

Dec 18, 2015 07:35 PM
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Joe Petrowsky
Mortgage Consultant, Right Trac Financial Group, Inc. NMLS # 2709 - Manchester, CT
Your Mortgage Consultant for Life

Good morning Bob. If I was in the business, I would do it, do all I could not to attempt representing both sides.

Dec 18, 2015 06:34 PM
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TeamCHI - Complete Home Inspections, Inc.
Complete Home Inspections, Inc. - Brentwood, TN
Home Inspectons - Nashville, TN area - 615.661.029

 Good morning Bob. I find it hard to see how someone can remain loyal to one and do their best to do their due diligence to another. To me, it is a tight line

Dec 18, 2015 05:17 PM
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Kathleen Luiten
Resort and Second-Home Specialist - Princeville, HI
Kauai Luxury Ocean Home Sales

We do represent both sides in some transactions, with very careful guidelines for all communications. Some of those deals would never have succeeded without our dual agency because of complexity, and our clients have all been highly satisfied.

Dec 18, 2015 04:03 PM
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Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

If it is a win/win for both parties, than okay let's do it.  But if there is an advantage/disadvantage for one or the other, then we have to go "single agent" and choose a side.

Dec 18, 2015 02:52 PM
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Lise Howe
Keller Williams Capital Properties - Washington, DC
Assoc. Broker in DC, MD, VA and attorney in DC

I don't believe in dual agency. 

Dec 18, 2015 12:20 PM
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Sam Shueh
(408) 425-1601 - San Jose, CA
mba, cdpe, reopro, pe

Avoid it as much as possible. If you are involved with lawyers, The lawyer will work with you if their offers are selected. These offers are often lower price and they want to know why their conditions this and that are not cosidered. 

 

Dec 18, 2015 12:19 PM
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Gary Coles (International Referrals)
Venture Realty International - Las Vegas, NV
Latin America Real Estate

i think the best answer was by Barbara Todaro .  I will not do dual agency.  I prefer to refer one party to another agent or as Barbara said,  I will represent one party and put it in writing that I represent only one party and the other is unrepresented.

Dec 18, 2015 11:05 AM
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Bob "RealMan" Timm
Ward County Notary Services - Minot, ND
Owner of Ward Co Notary Services retired RE Broker

I would say I do it more often than not Robert (Alaska Bob) Swetz . That sign in the front yard always brings a lot of calls. If a person takes the time to really go over the agency docs with the Seller I don't see a problem with it... and I've never had a problem with it.

Dec 18, 2015 10:41 AM
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Candice A. Donofrio
Next Wave RE Investments LLC Bullhead City AZ Commercial RE Broker - Fort Mohave, AZ
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I would rather have me on both ends than a bad agent on one side. Having said that, I am loath to take on the additional liability of dual agency and would prefer not to as a rule.

Dec 18, 2015 09:39 AM
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Andy Madrid
Hawaii Coast Realty, LLC - Kailua-Kona, HI
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I know agents that look to represent both sides - they don't advertise a property in the MLS.  I absolutely never will do it.  I have heard and believe the same analogy: You cant be the prosecutor and defender on same case in a court trial so how can you represent both sides equally in a real estate transaction?  You can't.  I dont care what anyone says, or how they rationalize it but "in my opinion" a party to a transaction cannot be fully represented as they should be when their agent is also representing the other party in a transaction.

I am happy to refer the buyer to another competent agent and take a referral -and if that buyer is ready to go and a cash buyer - I'll take a substantial referral for handing them a ready to go deal.

Dec 18, 2015 09:00 AM
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Debbie Laity
Cedaredge Land Company - Cedaredge, CO
Your Real Estate Resource for Delta County, CO

Dual agency isn't allowed in Colorado. I have worked both the buying and selling side. It can be done and done well. The agent just needs to be careful and disclosure to both parties. 

Dec 18, 2015 08:53 AM
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Susan Emo
Sotheby's International Realty Canada - Brokerage - Kingston, ON
Kingston and the 1000 Islands Area

There are rules and regulations in place and therefore, perfectly acceptable if done properly.  My Sellers are always pleased when it is me who brings them the Buyer.  My Buyers come to me because I know the property better than anyone else.  It is a Win/Win for everyone!

Dec 18, 2015 08:43 AM
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Hella Mitschke Rothwell
(831) 626-4000 - Honolulu, HI
Hawaii & California Real Estate Broker

It's legal in both California and Hawaii as long as the right disclosures are made. I am a broker in both states and have no trouble with it.

Dec 18, 2015 08:35 AM
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Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Burlington, MA
Metro Boston Homes For Sale

Robert (Alaska Bob) Swetz - dual agency is perfectly okay as long as you are honest to both sides.

Double Dipping is perhaps less respectful terminology and should be used for those who intentionally look for dual agency.

Dec 18, 2015 08:31 AM
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Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I have only done this once and the buyer and seller were friends and both former clients.  I think you have make it clear who you are working for.  

Dec 22, 2015 09:12 AM
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Sandy Padula & Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West & Florida Realty Investments - , CA
Presence, Persistence & Perseverance

As long as all parties to the contract are notified, there should be no issue. We do it all the time.

Dec 19, 2015 02:27 AM
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Realtor

I don't care for it if I'm personally a dual agent... can turn into a conflict of interest too quickly. How do you serve the BEST interests of two parties. Best assumes just one party. That being said, I've been a dual agent maybe half a dozen times and fortunately with no issues.... but it was the nature of the transactions that kept it clean for me.

As far as the company being a dual agent, no issues there for me. I don't treat the agents inside my company any differently than those with competing firms.

Dec 18, 2015 09:59 PM
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Raymond E. Camp
Ontario, NY

As long as all parties are informed it should not be a problem.

Most times here we do dual agency ad have a designated buyers agent and the listing agent handles the sellers.

Dec 18, 2015 09:25 PM
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Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

Disclosed dual agency is allowed in Pa. I have not done many.

Dec 18, 2015 08:47 PM
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Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

It is legal in Florida. Sometimes "yes" and sometimes "no", depends on the parties involved.

Dec 18, 2015 08:45 PM
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Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, KW Diversified - Stevens Point, WI
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Many times it can be a good thing.  Too many deals are trashed by agents who over do it on the adversarial stuff.

Dec 18, 2015 04:33 PM
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Evelyn Johnston
Friends & Neighbors Real Estate - Elkhart, IN
The People You Know, Like and Trust!

I do not represent both sides.  If I have the opportunity I turn one of the parties over to Larry.

Dec 18, 2015 12:43 PM
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Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

My broker doesn't allow dual agency. I have represented a seller with an unrepresented buyer and the buyer signed off they needed no representation. All went fine. I got paid on both sides.

Dec 18, 2015 12:29 PM
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Mike Rock
Complete Design - Granite Bay, CA
Granite Bay Luxury New Construction...For Less

it can be the best of all deals or te worst of deals. all depends on the agent

Dec 18, 2015 12:06 PM
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Robert Vegas Bob Swetz
Las Vegas, NV

Hello everyone ... I would like to thank you all for leaving comments!

I recently finished my CE classes for the next 2 years, Dual Agency, Multipal Representation, Transaction Broker to Representation, Double Dipping or whatever you call it, was frowned upon in several classes.

Brokers and Agents are getting sued because a seller and or buyer feels one or the other wasn't represented fairly or certain items were not disclosed in the transaction.

We are in the 21st Century and there are some very suave clients out there, please try not to be a statistic for a future "Law Suit" it may hurt your reputation ;o)

Dec 18, 2015 11:41 AM
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Annette Lawrence , Palm Harbor, FL 727-420-4041
ReMax Realtec Group - Palm Harbor, FL
Making FLORIDA Real Estate EZ

The benefits to the buyer and seller are significant.

Both parties have expressed complete satisfaction with the outcome.

Are you aware of a different outcome?

Are you fully informed regarding the details of such transactions?

Dec 18, 2015 09:42 AM
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Jeff Pearl
RE/MAX Distinctive / LIC in VA - Lovettsville, VA
Full Service Full Time Realtor

It's discouraged here, and agents hands are basically tied. Agents just have to be careful what they say, and when they say it. If a buyer doesn't want an agent on one of my listings, I use an umrepresented buyer form.

Dec 18, 2015 06:47 AM
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Troy Erickson AZ Realtor (602) 295-6807
HomeSmart - Chandler, AZ
Your Chandler, Ahwatukee, and East Valley Realtor

Robert - Although it is legal to do in Arizona, I feel as though you can't really represent two separate parties honestly and fairly. Any time you discover something about either the buyer, property, or seller, your are in a quandary because you are supposed to do whatever you can to get the highest and best offer for your seller, while at the same time get the lowest sales price for your buyer. Plus, what happens when things are discovered during the home inspection, or if the appraisal does not appraise at the sales price, or if you know the seller doesn't have any money for repairs, or if the buyer needs closing costs paid for by the seller. You cannot be partial when you know certain things, so to me, you just can't represent both parties fairly in a transaction. If you can't represent both parties equally, then you really are not representing either one fairly.

So, guess what, I don't do dual agency.

Dec 21, 2015 11:11 AM
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Katina Hargrove 352-551-0308
Stake Your Land Realty, Inc. - Eustis, FL
Broker/Owner, SFR®, e-PRO®, GRI, AHWD, REALTOR®

Good morning Robert,

I am a transaction broker, about 60% of my transactions are double sided.

Both parties are represented with honesty.

Dec 19, 2015 10:12 PM
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Larry Johnston
Broker, Friends & Neighbors Real Estate and Elkhart County Subdivisions, LLC - Elkhart, IN
Broker,Friends & Neighbors Real Estate, Elkhart,IN

I think they should not double dip.  The Buyer and the Seller needs equal representation.

Dec 19, 2015 09:23 AM
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
https://HugginsHomes.com - Thousand Oaks, CA
Residential Real Estate and Investment Properties

To quote Tim McGraw... "I like it, I love it, I want some more of it."

 

In CA it is legal, so long as it is fully disclosed to all parties.  I have no issues with it and I've had transactions that would have fallen apart if I wasn't handling both sides.

Dec 19, 2015 07:50 AM
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Amelia Robinette
NoVa House and Home - Frankly Realty - Falls Church, VA
Education, Innovation, Service

I don't do dual agency and won't even if asked to.

If you're committed to servicing your client, then why not just recommend a different agent in your brokerage to rep the other side? 

 

Dec 19, 2015 06:30 AM
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Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

I have represented the seller in hundreds of transactions with buyers. Treat all of the parities fairly and there are few problems.

Dec 19, 2015 05:59 AM
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Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate Services

I am not a fan.  I've only done it a few times in 13 years.  That said, I just "gave" a buyer client to another agent on one of my listings ... I did all the work.  In that situation it would have made more sense for me to represent the buyer ... but that is not always true.

Dec 19, 2015 04:56 AM
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Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
CONSULTANT, Real Estate Services & Risk Management

In states, where it's legal and properly documented, it seems to work well, but can be tricky. Most agents love it and pride themselves on it.

Dec 19, 2015 04:53 AM
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William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

I have done at least 60% dual agancy over my 16+ years with no problems. Both partiews know that if they feel there is to much of a conflict I will bring in another agent...not one has asked to have that done and many say it was the easiest and best deal they have ever done

Dec 19, 2015 04:29 AM
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David Gibson CNE, 719-304-4684 ~ Colorado Springs Relocation
Colorado Real Estate Advisers LLC - Colorado Springs, CO
Relocation, Luxury & Lifestyle residential

Bob,
You can’t advocate for two sides which is why after the fact one side or the other is likely to sue.

Dec 19, 2015 01:19 AM
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA

Robert (Alaska Bob) Swetz I think, it is appropriate as long as done according to local rules.

Dec 18, 2015 12:26 PM
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Stefan Winter
Real Estate in IL & NV | Owner of Real Estate Web Tech | Daily Vlogger - Las Vegas, NV
Owner - Winter Group & Real Estate Web Tech

If done right it can work out for everyone, but I stay neutral and just present whatever each side wants to offer/accept etc. 

Dec 18, 2015 11:50 AM