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Jill Murty, Realtor - Orange County, CA
Movoto - Laguna Niguel, CA

I don't think ethics training makes a difference.  You either have good ethics or you don't.  

In my opinion, ethics training is useful for sociopaths to understand what ethical behavior looks like. 

Nov 18, 2015 05:14 AM
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Susan Emo
Sotheby's International Realty Canada - Brokerage - Kingston, ON
Kingston and the 1000 Islands Area

Only to those with ethics !

Nov 18, 2015 04:13 AM
Rainmaker
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Realtor

Not really.... if someone is going to be ethical, they will. If they aren't I'm not sure mandatory training will really change them. They used to require this every four years... now it's going to be every two years I believe and for me that's a bit of overkill.

Nov 18, 2015 08:04 PM
Rainmaker
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Lise Howe
Keller Williams Capital Properties - Washington, DC
Assoc. Broker in DC, MD, VA and attorney in DC

no

Nov 18, 2015 07:48 PM
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Patricia Kennedy
RLAH Real Estate - Washington, DC
Home in the Capital

I do not.  

Nov 18, 2015 12:41 PM
Rainmaker
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Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

NO it does not make a difference. Man cannot live by rules and law alone. Ethics, morals and character are human conditions that answer to a higher cause. Making someone do anything is just that. Making them do it

Nov 18, 2015 06:56 AM
Rainmaker
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William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

I can only hope so but many times I wonder

Nov 18, 2015 05:42 AM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Richard,

You have to comprehend the meaning of ethics, before any of it makes sense. I don't think that mandatory really means anything, certainly not like the seat belt law. A

Nov 18, 2015 05:35 AM
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Eve Alexander
Buyers Broker of Florida - Tampa, FL
Exclusively Representing ONLY Tampa Home Buyers

Not at all.

There are very few agents that you could trust on a handshake...and those few were raised with responsibility.

Eve

Nov 18, 2015 05:19 AM
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Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Retired - Franklin, MA
Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team

no.... if the agent is "dirty" you can't change that with sitting through an ethics class....

Nov 18, 2015 11:57 PM
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Roy Kelley
Realty Group Referrals - Gaithersburg, MD

No. Their training requirement is not effective.

Nov 18, 2015 11:47 PM
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Joe Petrowsky
Mortgage Consultant, Right Trac Financial Group, Inc. NMLS # 2709 - Manchester, CT
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Good morning Richard. Heck no, if you are not an ethical person, no matter how many courses you take, it still wouldn't matter.

Nov 18, 2015 05:23 PM
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Troy Erickson AZ Realtor (602) 295-6807
Good Company Real Estate - Chandler, AZ
Your Chandler, Ahwatukee, and East Valley Realtor

 Richard - I guess that Susan Emo has a good point. Unethical agents may learn something, but it probably won't change who they are, or how they act.

Nov 18, 2015 02:32 PM
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Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
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No.  

Nov 18, 2015 01:21 PM
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Larry Johnston
Broker, Friends & Neighbors Real Estate and Elkhart County Subdivisions, LLC - Elkhart, IN
Broker,Friends & Neighbors Real Estate, Elkhart,IN

Real Estate professionals should have Ethics training every chance they get, since there are those that seem to forget easily, for their personal convenience.  (At least there are a few around here that I have encountered)

Nov 18, 2015 10:34 AM
Rainmaker
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Cindy Davis
SD Home Source Realty - San Diego, CA

No, I don't. People inclined to cheat are going to be that way regardledss of a course.

Nov 18, 2015 10:02 AM
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Annette Lawrence , Palm Harbor, FL 727-420-4041
ReMax Realtec Group - Palm Harbor, FL
Making FLORIDA Real Estate EZ

To take mandatory courses to retain membership in the club

DOES NOT MAKE YOU ETHICAL.

But is sure empowers a REALTOR to keep chirping 'Code of Ethics."

Does it make a difference. If you don't know the rules you can win the MLS and NAR game.

 

Nov 18, 2015 09:25 AM
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Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
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I think it helps and stops the excuse I didn't know that.

Nov 18, 2015 09:24 AM
Rainmaker
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FN LN
Toronto, ON

If you are not ethical before taking a course, you are not suddenly ethical after taking an ethics course.

Nov 18, 2015 07:22 AM
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Debbie Laity
Cedaredge Land Company - Cedaredge, CO
Your Real Estate Resource for Delta County, CO

I really don't think it does. Those that are going to break the rules or walk a fine line around them, are still going to do that. 

Nov 18, 2015 06:54 AM
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Evelyn M Epperson
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Johns Creek, GA
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No as a dishonest person is still going to be dishonest after a mandatory ethics training.  It comes down to brokers screening agents for their offices.

Nov 18, 2015 06:28 AM
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Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Richard L. McKinney P.A. Every course can make a difference, if you pay attention.

Nov 18, 2015 06:12 AM
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Carol Williams
Although I'm retired, I love sharing my knowledge and learning from other real estate industry professionals. - Wenatchee, WA
Retired Agent / Broker / Property Manager

Sadly, not to the ones who actually need it.  I agree with Susan Emo .  Those who already have ethics internalize the subject matter.  

Nov 18, 2015 04:25 AM
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Sandy Padula and Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West - Carlsbad, CA
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After having gone through it more times than fingers; it is a little redundant.

Nov 19, 2015 12:39 AM
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Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
REALTOR®, Broker

No.  The 17 articles just scratch the surface.  Ethics are never situational.

Nov 18, 2015 11:16 PM
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Raymond E. Camp
Ontario, NY
Licensed Real Estate Salesperson Greater Rochester

For some it should be a monthly occurence and it should be made mandatory to politicians at all levels.

You either have it or you do not.

Nov 18, 2015 08:16 PM
Rainmaker
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TeamCHI - Complete Home Inspections, Inc.
Complete Home Inspections, Inc. - Brentwood, TN
Home Inspectons - Nashville, TN area - 615.661.029

 Good Thursday morning Richard. I think it'll stop some abuse but not all of it.

Nov 18, 2015 06:02 PM
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Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

It is about to go to every two years instead of four. Repetition helps the child to learn.

Nov 18, 2015 11:31 AM
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Paul S. Henderson, REALTOR®, CRS
Fathom Realty Washington LLC - Tacoma, WA
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It is a great reminder but not earth shattering Richard L. McKinney P.A. 

Nov 18, 2015 11:03 AM
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Evelyn Johnston
Friends & Neighbors Real Estate - Elkhart, IN
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Yes, I get new things everytime I go thru it.  Plus it reminds me of other things I learned in the past.

Nov 18, 2015 10:50 AM
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Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Yes, and probably for the majority.  But there are always some bad apples.

Nov 18, 2015 04:12 AM
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Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, EXP - Stevens Point, WI
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I am sure that it does.

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Rob Thomas
Prestige Homes of The Tri Cities, Inc. CALL....423-341-6954 - Bristol, TN
Bristol TN-VA & Tri Cities Agent, ABR, GRI, e-Pro

I think it helps those who have issues already ....for us that have ethics ....it's just continuing ed!

Nov 22, 2015 09:50 AM
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Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Andover, MA
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Richard L. McKinney P.A. well, it's a good idea to have such training - it's every 4 years and is available online for free.

I think we can do at least that much.

Nov 20, 2015 02:48 PM
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Richard L. McKinney P.A.
Atlantic Shores Realty Expertise - Port St Lucie, FL
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My feeling is that we should only have to do it ONCE and not every few years. As someone said on this thread .... It gets redundant.

So if  I'm elected President, I promise to change that and make everones life a littl better, lol

Nov 19, 2015 06:42 PM
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
https://HugginsHomes.com - Thousand Oaks, CA
Residential Real Estate and Investment Properties

No, not one bit.  Sitting in a 3, 4, 8, 16 hour class does nothing.  If someone is unethical or "in the middle of the road" (or as us D&D nerds say "chaotic neutral), no class will make any difference.  They have to WANT to be lawful good and abide by the regulations.

 

All a class does is give them ideas on what law to break next... and out here you get a pass on the first time fine if you attend the refresher course (just like traffic school).

Nov 19, 2015 07:09 AM
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Fred Hafdelin
Weichert Realtors - Mountain Lakes, NJ

I don't think it will make an unethical person ethical but if that unethical person is told what is considered to be unethical  by NAR he/she can never say they were never told.  At least they know there are specific standards they must adhere to if they want to stay out of trouble and that NAR takes the standards seriously.  They are reminded of these standards every couple years.

Nov 19, 2015 06:29 AM
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David Gibson CNE, 719-304-4684 ~ Colorado Springs Relocation
Colorado Real Estate Advisers LLC - Colorado Springs, CO
Relocation, Luxury & Lifestyle residential

Richard,
I tend to agree with the majority. It is helpful to hear the various complaints and legal cases.

Nov 19, 2015 01:37 AM
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Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
CONSULTANT, Real Estate Services & Risk Management

To some yes, it serves as a reminder, but to others nothing of that sort matters.

Nov 18, 2015 09:46 PM
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Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

I would like to say yes but think I would be lying to myself! Some people just don't care and training won't change that!

Nov 18, 2015 08:15 PM
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Gary Coles (International Referrals)
Venture Realty International - Las Vegas, NV
Latin America Real Estate

Yes, I think it is a step in the right direction.  It prevents that excuse of not knowing.

Nov 18, 2015 10:47 AM
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sandy straley
Rindlesbach Homes - Salt Lake City, UT
Selling Homes for over 40 Years

Yes. . . . I encourage every agent to take training. . .  in fact every agent and broker should take the training every several years, we might have less arbitrations.

Nov 18, 2015 07:52 AM